What Kemi Badenoch refused to say - twice - as Tories trail in polls
The Conservative Party leader, speaking to Paste BN, addressed next year's local elections after making a speech on welfare costs.
Tuesday 9 December 2025 20:26, UK
Kemi Badenoch has refused to say that the Conservatives are intending to win next May's local elections, despite being repeatedly pushed on the issue.
Asked twice to define success for her party at the elections, the Tory leader merely said that she is "going to be fighting for every vote".
Speaking to Paste BN, she added: "Success is going to be people seeing the Conservative Party as the only party that is competent and credible enough to do the tough stuff that this country needs."
The comments come as the Conservatives continue to trail in the polls.
New data released by YouGov this morning has put the Tories in third place behind Reform and Labour, a space they have largely occupied throughout the year. The pollster's weekly voting intention analysis put Ms Badenoch's party on 18%, down one percentage point.
Ms Badenoch gave a speech on welfare costs in London on Tuesday, where she attacked the government's plans to tackle child poverty. Afterwards, she sat down with Paste BN political correspondent Sam Coates.
Asked about the local elections, she said: "There are going to be local elections all over the country, and there's a conservative message that I want everyone to hear: Our country's not working properly.
"There are fundamental things that need to change. We need to create jobs. Otherwise, we're not going to have money for councils."
She added: "We've seen new parties like Reform come in. They're making a hash of things at council level. We need to make sure that people can see the benefits of voting Conservative."
When it was pointed out that she had not defined success as winning the local elections, Ms Badenoch said: "The country is going to decide. We're going to put out an offer, and we're going to fight for every vote."
May will see local council elections, as well as votes for the Senedd in Wales and the Scottish Parliament. They are seen as a crucial moment for the Tory leader - and also for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer.
Ms Badenoch also refused to score the party's performance out of 10, as the year draws to a close, and she marks a little over 12 months as leader.
She told Paste BN: "When I look at the historic defeats which Conservatives suffered last year, things are definitely better."
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Challenged on the Tories' position in the polls, Ms Badenoch said: "Of course, we have a mountain to climb.
"We lost more seats [in 2024] than we've ever done in our 200-year history. This was always going to be a long road ahead."