The leader of the Greens has said a deadly storm that left at least 28 people dead should have been called "Hurricane Labour".
Zack Polanski is now asked about whether he is hopeful about change happening at COP30 in Brazil this week.
He responds that he doesn't "have any high hopes at all".
He says there have been a growing number of warnings about climate change in recent weeks, but that these have "barely made a headline" as "we've all been paralysed into this kind of fearmongering [that] there's nothing we can do about it".
Polanski continues: "We hold agency and power. And when I say we, I'm talking about the country and the government.
"If we make sure that the polluter pays, we need to hold fossil fuel companies accountable.
"It is outrageous that we've just had a hurricane in Jamaica that has killed people and caused mass devastation.
"Why are we calling it Hurricane Melissa? It should be called Hurricane Shell or at this point it should be called Hurricane Labour, because, actually, we still have a Labour government who are giving fossil fuel subsidies to oil and gas rather than subsidising things like they should be, like train travel."
Challenged that politicising a deadly natural event is "incendiary", he responds by pointing out that Labour is considering giving permission for the Rosebank oil field, which is the UK's largest undeveloped oil field.
He continues: "This is a new oil field where the cumulative carbon emission impact will be the same as 28 of the poorest low income countries in the world.
"This is sociopathic behaviour if they don't rule it out.
"So I accept that what I'm saying is strong language, but we need to have stronger language about the climate crisis that is killing people."
But he admits that Labour are not "fully responsible" and points the finger at fossil fuel companies.